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Thursday
Mar262009

Elgato Turbo.264 HD. Hands on user test and review.

Elgato have sold the Turbo.264 for a couple of years now - but until now it only handled SD resolutions. The new  Turbo.264 HD handles resolutions all the way up to 1080p, but is it worth the £140 asking price? - Read on to find out.

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Anyone with an HD camcorder will tell you that editing AVCHD video is a hellish nightmare.

The camcorder manufacturers don't tell you this - they pretend that its all drag and drop. The glossy adverts show someone fresh off the ski slopes still garbed in their woollen hat watching their morning's antics on the TV. Now this is all well and good and is actually possible if you only want to watch everything you shot, in sequence, through the camcorder itself. However, if you want to edit down your footage (like everyone should) then it is more than likely that the snow will have melted long before you'll see your finished compilation.

I'm no pro camcorder user - just your average schmuck. I just shoot holiday footage on a normal consumer camcorder and edit the footage on my Macbook using iMovie09. In the days of DV tape this meant waiting whilst the footage was transferred in real time down the firewire lead to the Mac, but after that it was plain sailing. If I had four hours of tapes, it would take approx four hours to get that footage into the editing program - then the editing time - then another hour or two to export it as a DVD.

Flash memory HD cameras arrived on the scene with the promise of immediate access to any scene and drag and drop file transfer. This sounded quicker - however when it comes to HD  it can be much, much slower.

AVCHD is a very compressed format that requires some serious horsepower to decode. iMovie can't edit it natively and therefore the files have to be converted to a more edit-friendly format.To facilitate this, iMovie converts them to the Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC). This converted footage is a much larger, more verbose file - from my experience 6 times larger than the source file. It is relatively easy for the Mac to edit and play the AIC files. Once the editing is complete the user then generally exports the finished movie to another format - usually some kind of MP4 file.

To give you some idea of the problems I encountered with editing AVCHD I need to share a few numbers with you.

I shoot my video with a Sony HDR-TG3 (aka TG1 in the rest of the world) If I use an 8GB Memory stick it can store a maximum of 55 minutes of AVCHD footage at a resolution of 1920x1080i .

My Macbook (2.2ghz 4GB late 2007) model takes approx 2 hours to convert an 8GB stick of AVCHD footage into the Apple Intermediate Codec and in the process creates a folder taking up a massive 48GB of the hard drive to store the converted footage. That's if it doesn't crash somewhere along the way - which isn't entirely unusual.

The Turbo.264 HD's purpose is to speed everything up. It gets used at the beginning of the process and again at the end.

The procedure goes like this.....

Plug the Turbo.264 HD USB dongle in - run it's software - drag your AVCHD footage into it's window - and click to export it as an MP4 file.

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Then start up iMovie and import these MP4 files. iMovie is compatible with MP4 files and doesn't need to convert them to it's AIC format. Once editing has finished. the footage can be exported from iMovie using the special Elgato Turbo.264 HD encoding codec and USB dongle's processing power.

So what kind of improvements can be expected - well as always, mileage will vary based on your Mac but here are my results.

I started with a full 8GB memory stick from my recent holiday. It contained 352 clips at 1920x1080i resolution.

Without Turbo.264 HD


  • Import 8GB into iMovie09 @ 1920x1080i:  2hrs

  • The Size of the AIC workfiles folder created on hard drive:  48GB

  • Export 3 minutes of footage from iMovie09 as MP4  @ 1920x1080:  17 mins


With Turbo.264 HD


  • Convert 8GB of files into 1920x1080p MP4 using Turbo 264 HD:  1hr 10 mins

  • Import these MP4's into iMovie09 @ 1920x1080i:  20 mins

  • Size of workfiles folder created on hard drive:  2.6GB

  • Export 3 minutes of footage from iMovie09 as MP4  @ 1920x1080:  2 mins 15 secs


264 in action

Now bear in mind that my recent three week holiday generated 40GB (5 hrs) of unedited AVCHD video and you can appreciate the amount of time and space that can be saved by using the Turbo.264 HD. It actually saves me hours rather than minutes of rendering/conversion time. That 40GB would expand by a factor of 6 when converted to the AIC - that's 240GB of files (on top of the 40GB I've already used) and that's a lot of disk space to have free. The Turbo.264 would convert that 40GB of AVCHD into under 15GB of Highdef MP4 files.

One very useful feature of the Turbo.264  HD is it's ability to import just the .MTS files generated by the camcorder. iMovie 09 normally insists on the entire memory stick structure being complete before it will entertain importing any AVCHD files. This makes archiving of the original camcorder footage very difficult. Ideally you would want to just drag all the MTS files off your memory cards into a folder on your Mac so you could reuse the card. You could then import all the files at the same time instead of one memory stick at a time - the Turbo 264 HD finally allows you to do this.

The software provided with the Turbo.264 HD also has a number of additional useful functions. When importing footage you can actually play each AVCHD clip first to determine whether you want to include it in the conversion to MP4 process. The software also offers rudimentary editing of the footage by choosing a start and end point for each clip. It can then export these individually or combine the clips into one movie. If that is all the control you need, you can forget iMovie etc and just use the Elgato software on its own for a quick and easy editing and authoring solution. Predefined export formats include iPod, iPhone, Apple TV, PSP, 720p, 1080p - and these can be customised further too.

As I mentioned previously, my Sony TG3 records in 1920x1080i. The choice is to convert this to either a 720p or 1080p MP4. My Sony has a very small lens so there was very little noticeable image quality difference between the 720p and 1080p conversions. The 720p appeared slightly lightened/washed out so I used the darker 1080p video. The conversion seemed to take the same time for both resolutions anyway

There are of course a couple of niggles with the Elgato software (it is version 1.0) The ability to select multiple/all of the clips to effect  batch changes to the output format would be top of my improvements list [EDIT - See first comment for how to do this] and playing back the individual AVCHD clips sometimes behaved strangely.

The biggest problem I've experienced is that after about 40 mins of conversion,  the Turbo.264 HD USB stick gets red hot and then the Mac pops up a message to say  the device has been unplugged.  To sort this out I had to unplug it and give it  5 mins to cool down and then the conversion could continue  where it left off . This is a pretty significant limitation as it means means that I can't leave the Turbo.264HD unattended to convert all my 40gb of footage in one go. I suggest that constructing the USB dongle's case out of  sealed plastic might not have been the smartest idea - an aluminium or vented case might have helped with cooling. Perhaps the software should be updated to automatically pause for a breather every half hour - then it could be left running all day. (These comments have been deleted - see why at the end of this post)

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In conclusion - if you are editing AVCHD on a Mac then the Turbo.264 HD has the potential to make it a lot easier. Without this device, editing AVCHD video is a frustrating and unpleasant experience. I've always had to spend days to import my camcorder footage one stick at a time - returning to the Mac every few hours to swap memory sticks and restart the import process. I could  never be confident that iMovie  wouldn't have crashed when I returned. This also necessitated leaving the computer and external hard drive powered up and running at full throttle for long periods of time. With the 264 HD I can skip past many hours of waiting and more quickly get down to the fun process of actually editing the footage.

The drastically reduced disk space required for the imported footage means that I didn't really need to get that 1.5TB USB drive to hold my temporary AIC video files after all. If the Turbo.264 HD had come out a couple of months earlier it could actually have paid for itself by enabling me to avoid this unnecessary hard drive purchase.   I've found that editing MP4 files is a more stable and responsive process than handling the larger AIC files and overall my editing experience has been completely transformed by this tiny device.

It's not cheap - but  to many people it will be worth every penny, especially for those who value their sanity.

I consider the Turbo 264HD  to be an essential purchase for anyone editing AVCHD footage on their Mac.

I got mine delivered direct from Elgato @ www.Elgato.com

UPDATE - My overheating Turbo 264HD appears to be a one-off,  no one else on the Elgato forums is reporting similar issues, so I'm going to get it replaced and I'll report back. It should also be mentioned that at the moment there is a known fault that prevents export direct from iMovie09. The problem should be rectified with the next software update. The Elgato team are aware and they should be congratulated for being very hands-on and responsive. The official forums are a useful resource for information and assistance for their users.

UPDATE 2 - Sure enough my Turbo 264HD was faulty after all. I've received a replacement unit that doesn't overheat. So don't worry about this issue when deciding whether to buy one. Oh, and while I'm here, I should mention that I've spotted the 264HD on the shelves in the Apple stores recently, so if you are near a store you can pick one up instead of buying mail order.

UPDATE 3 - Make sure you read the comments - there are some links in there to some test footage in 720p using the various deinterlace options. These might help you decide if the Turbo264HD would be useful for you.

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Reader Comments (42)

OK
I will follow your advice. Thanks for both putting another point of view. i will challenge Applestore next time I see them.
Turbo264HD is still a must i think.
Chas

July 23, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterchas c

Product is completely useless because every avi file that I try to convert for the AppleTV has significant out of sync audio problems. After researching this issue further, I have come to discover that MANY other users are having the same problem. Apparently, Elgato is trying to fix the problem but have not been able to do so yet.

July 24, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJeff R. Thomason

Some Turbo users (like Jeff above) have experienced sync issues with mal-formed AVI files. We have addressed this issue in an update to the Turbo software. A beta version is available now*, and the release version will be ready shortly.

Mike Evangelist
Elgato

*Turbo.264 HD version 1.0.3 beta can be downloaded here: http://turbobeta.s3.amazonaws.com/turbohd_103b17_826.dmg

July 29, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterMike Evangelist

Thanks for this superb review and also comments. I have the latest model of the same camcorder TG5E and am struggling with much the same issues. I've purchased Turbo 264 HD and the converted movie files @720p @50fps @10000kb/s look great, almost as off the camera, no significant judder etc.

Now I am trying to pass the video files through iMovie, so far with no success. For some reason iMovie would see the converted mp4 files as "greyed", which cannot be imported for editing.

Any thoughts as to why and what else can I do?

My objective is to use Elgato for importing files from my camera in mp4 format, edit them in iMovie and export via Elgato again at those settings you found and shared with the community.

July 31, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterFigaro008

In iMovie import the files like this...

Go to FILE>IMPORT> MOVIES...> Then navigate to your new .mp4 files - select the ones you want and click Import.

You will have trouble exporting via the Elgato as this feature is still not working in HD with iMovie for some unknown reason. It will export the video but the Turbo264HD will not speed the process up (on my Macbook it quotes about 12hrs to export a 1.5hr movie in 720p - the same speed as using iMovie without the Turbo264HD attached).

Hope that (sort of) helps.

July 31, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterTechmoan

Thanks for your comment. Trouble is it isn't working - my iMovie program "sees" the .mp4 files I imported via Elgato but I cannot select them to import for some reason, they are "greyed"...

July 31, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterFigaro008

I'm not sure if this is the reason, but have you bought the Quicktime pro upgrade? I've got it on mine and I think it might be required for handling MP4 files. It's the only possible reason I can think of.

July 31, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterTechmoan

1.0.3 (b843): Still audio-video out-of-sync issue:

Still the new version has similar problems as all versions before.
Same avi. video file can be properly converted by visualhub !

Unfortunately Elgato support could not help.
They closes the ticket without solving the case.

http://forums.elgato.com/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=6021

September 5, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterCliff Scherer

I am not satisfied with the picture quality of Turbo.264 HD after compressing my 720p HD recordings of my Panasonic Lumix DC-TZ7. The video loses a lot of details.

Turbo.264 HD also doesn't do a good job exporting movies from iMovie09 because the result is much darker than the original.

I also made a test by uploading an uncompressed HD movie to YouTube:

After it was compressed by YouTube to a H.264 mp4 file in HD the quality is much better than the compressed file by Turbo.264 HD. The YouTube file was even smaller.

September 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterDeKoe

Hi everyone...

From my experience (semi-pro), the audio syncing and quality issues arise because the files you're working with are being compressed over and over. Remember, compression is lossy. The more you compress a file the more data is lossed, both in visual and audio quality.

If you're working with HD. Sorry to say, you'll need a high-end machine that's designed to work with large file sizes. Like a MacPro and a powerful graphics card.

Use a dedicated large hard drive for the video, edit in a format that has minimal compression. Then export the final edited version using compression.

Hope this helps ;-)

October 1, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterDeka

Deka, I can buy this argument for quality, but not for syncing.

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