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Jul152012

Xdreme Camera Review

Does the Xdreme (Blue) improve upon the Crocolis (Red)?I'm trying to catch up on my reviews at the moment, so if in my rush I've forgotten to include something in this video, let me know and I'll try and cover it up in a future mop-up video when I've got sufficient time.

One thing that I did intend to mention was the size of video files created by this camera. People with good math skills can probably work it out from the video bitrates, but for the rest of us I can confirm that in my tests 15min at 1920x1080 30fps took up 970MB of space. 

One thing I know that I didn't test is motion activation. I know that some people are interested in this feature, but I really can't figure out how to demonstrate it in a meaningful way. Clearly, when the camera in this mode if I wave my hand in front of the lens it starts recording...but is that all people really want to know, because it all seems rather rudimentary to me. Let me know.

If you want to download a few short samples of clips from the camera Here is a folder on pcloud.

I am trying out affiliated links, so here is my link to the Xdreme camera on Chinavasion. Remember though that in the UK, you will likely get stung with customs and 'handling' fees when you import from China, so factor that into your budget.

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    plus). @Ritschimuc: du suchst eher so eine Action Cam? guck mal auf techmoan.com z.B. die Xtreme an: http://www.techmoan.com/blog/2012/7/15/xdreme-camera-review.html Die hat natürlich eine deutlich besser Bildquali als die Car Cams, an eine Go Pro Hero 2 reichts aber

Reader Comments (90)

Could someone please tell me how to order one of these cameras and where?

August 10, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Mcwade

John. Click the link in the review to order one from Chinavasion. There are other sellers on eBay too.

August 10, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

let me know who makes something that has all the features of the GC100 Inou but is why cheaper ^_^

ie: GPS

GC100 Inou http://www.shopcateye.com/products.php?product=GC100-Inou

Thenk You TechNo

Wesley

Reply to me at my youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/wetwetweze

August 17, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterWes

1) how much customs and 'handling' fees ?
2) can timestamp be removed?

August 30, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony

1) I didn't pay any because it was a free review sample. I'd budget approx £30.
2) The timestamp can be turned on or off.

August 30, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

1) Here in greece also pay import tax? I have received many ebay items from china and havent paid any taxes. Is this any different and why?
2) which option disables timestamp?

August 30, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony

I don't know about the rules for Greece.
The option is just like any of the other menu options...nothing special.

August 30, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

I saw the menu in your video but didnt quite get how to remove the timestamp

August 30, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony

ok now i saw it :)
how do you compare this cam to the Liquid Image EGO in terms of quality of video?

August 30, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony

I've just got the Xdreme out to check. The menu is called "Time Stamp" and the options available are Off, Date, Time, Date/Time. This selects what is displayed on screen.

August 30, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

I haven't really compared the Ego and Xdreme side by side. I may try to do that tomorrow. I already suspect that the Ego is better. The footage that I've taken so far looks more vibrant.

August 30, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

yes the sample video of the ego is very nice with a bit over the top saturated colors
as i saw the xdreme also has a saturation option which can be boosted

the xdreme seems to be wider both at 1080 and of course at 720
has nice fps options (60,30,25)
has built in monitor and waterproof as you buy it
has plenty of mounting options
I believe its best at 1440x1080 (from your samples)

the ego has NICE fov option (as gopro) just missing the 170 angle
has built in wifi
has default vibrant colors

if we ignore the default saturation i would love to see a comparison of the codecs - compression and how they handle

sadly no raw files from bike from xdreme, only youtube
the raw file on bike from ego is quite good

August 30, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony

if you do a comparison please use the 1440 resolution in xdreme if it indeed is better as i saw on your RAW samples
and of course remove the timestamp
please offer the raw samples as youtube at 720 is trash

the biggest complaint for xdreme is having it ugly open to record good sound and only with the external mic
it should at least offer a waterproof mic OR a waterproof socket outside of the door

and the software of the xdreme is hugely missing a fov option as the gopro and the ego
there are times where 140 and 170 degrees is tooooooooooo wide. a central crop of the 5mp sensor is essensial to offer a narrower angle of view

August 30, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony

Hi Tachmoan,
Based on your review, I bought 4 of these Xdreme Cams. Video recording (1920 x 1080 @ 30fps) is great with good colour representation. Sound is not important and thus I cannot comment on the quality.
One question that I have is related to playback from the camera through to a HD TV. If I record a clip in 1440 x 1080 @ 30 fps (1080p mode) and then play back the clip on a full HD TV using the HDMI cable, then the TV reports that the clip is received by the TV in 1080i mode as opposed to 1080p mode - is this perhaps a limitation of the camera in that the signal from the calera to the TV is not the same as the mode in which the clip was recorded. I have found that when I export the files to my MAC, then the file properties are corectly reported.
Thanks again for a great review.

September 10, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterGary

So,
I´ve been testing the camera for a while now.

After using it for a few times, the locking mechanism broke.
It took a very long time to get some help from Chinavasion. At the beginning, they didn´t seem to understand the issue.
Of course they got a lot of images, so finaly when getting connected to the right person, the agreed to send me new spare parts.
I had to pay for the freight. When receiving the spare parts, i found out, that the new locking mechanism was even tighter than "the old one". Therefore I modified it slightly - not pressing the door so much.
Allthouh, I don´t think, it will last very long - unfortunately.

You can see an imageof the broken part here:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6ouSR19oUwo/UFBXKTL1MoI/AAAAAAAAAW8/d2-tTbF2tjs/s800/IMG_3909_1024x768.JPG

After using the camera in Noway for some days on slightli bumpy roads, I experienced, that the camera constantly turned off.
I switched the SD-Card and even the battery but still the same problem.

Considering the price and eventually tax, I think that the camera i a complete waste.
The next camera is definately not going to be from Chinavasion.

I hope, you understand my odd English :)

BTW: You can buy NP-120 2200mAh batteries for the Xdreme from suntekstore.com at a very low price

September 12, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterjenshenrik

Hi jenshenrik

I've had exactly the same problems as you, but I couldn't even get them to send me a spare locking clip. I've just sent the camera back today. I believe the problem with switching off is dues to a faulty battery. If you have more than one, experiment to see if you can isolate a single battery. I tried different memory cards and factory resetting, but it seemed to be only a problem with a specific battery. I could be wrong but that's my guesstimate. I hope hope everything works out for the both of us.

Oz

September 12, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterOz

Hi Oz and thank's for confirming the issue.

I really look forward to read, what Chinavasion will do for you.
My problem might be, that the Danish custom will claim another 40 £ import tax, when sending the camera to Chinavasion...

As I see, the distance from the back of the clip to the pin is 0,5 -1mm too short.
You can hear the "S*M*A*C*K in Techmoans brilliant review. It should rather be the sound of a nice "click"...

Threfore it would be great, if they manufacture and sell som improved spare clips.
I'm sure, they'll get a lot complains/warranty issues.

Dear Techmoan: Perhaps you could consider durability in your future tests?

September 12, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterjenshenrik

Unfortunately the process of testing something and then moving on to the next means that I never get the opportunity to test anything over an extended period of time. I only get to hear about problems like these from the comments. A similar thing happened with the V1000gs. It has put me off recommending anything....so for a while now whenever people have asked me to suggest a camera (I get about 20 emails a week like this) I'm now replying by saying that I do the reviews, but ultimately the choice of what to buy is down to the individual. There is a very good chance that everything I review will break with a few days of real world use.

September 12, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

Does the lens only have that fisheye effect, and does anyone know if one could replace the lens with another brand?

It's a VERY nice looking camera, filming-wise, and the added bonus of it looking like a toy is all the better; to deter common thieves, possibly. :p

And for the price too! At the moment, it's about 130 USD, not including the shipping costs which would be more. But still, a better deal than the gopro.

September 14, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlbert H.

The lens is not removable. The wide angle is a feature that's pretty much standard on action cameras. You'll have to look at non-action cameras for a standard lens.

September 14, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

The lens is removeable in the sense that it was scewed into place on the CMOS chip board when the camera was assembled. There are many reports of the lens being changed on the GoPro and l see no reason why this cam should be any different.
tom.

September 14, 2012 | Unregistered Commentertom hardwick

Tom Hardwick: You are right about that, as I've seen sites where that's been done, as well as footage on youtube. For the price the Xdreme is going for, however, I'd think the risks wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it would be with a gopro.

Keep me posted on this thread if anyone ever succesfully swaps out the lens. Otherwise, there are software methods of fixing the image.

September 14, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlbert H.

As Techmoan wrote, the lens is not removeable.

Take a look here at the movie at 2:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlcUjNUS4fI&t=2m5s

Cheers :)

September 18, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterjenshenrk

This camera is under £75 for the next 4 days at chinavasion...(18th Sept 2012)..don't know what tax equals....just letting people know...

September 18, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterjohnboy

What a great review!

I've just received this camera, and it seems pretty good for the price. There are a couple of issues, though.

Timelapse works OK unless the camera is in motion; then abrupt shocks (from bumpy roads) will cause recording to fail - the camera locks up and you have to remove the battery to make it responsive again. I think this is due to the orientation sensor registering a change of position. if the camera is still, timelapse works 100% with no issues.

This is quite a big deal for me, as my main reason for buying this camera was for timelapse photography, often mounted on a mountain bike.

Is there any way to contact the manufacturer or install updated firmware that might have fixed this?

Also, what speed/class of SD card are people getting good results from? Is class 4 sufficient?

TIA

September 23, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterrjh

I've only tried a class 6 card in mine. I think that a decent quality class 4 should theoretically be fast enough. As far as your orientation issue, this does sound very annoying. Unfortunately I don't know the manufacturers name or contact details. I've also never seen a firmware update for these cameras. It may be possible, but I'd say that its rather unlikely unfortunately.

September 23, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

Johnboy:
You could try to contacting Maggie Zhou at their customer service. Perhaps she can answer your question regarding the firmware update, which includes the option disabling the orienration sensor.

Oz:
How goes with your issue?

As I see the issue, the Xdreme camera cannot be usead as or called an action camera, until the power off bug is fixed...

September 24, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterjenshenrik

I have not heard anything since I sent my camera back under RMA. Unfortunately Australia Post in their infinite wisdom sent my package back to my place instead of China, they obviously got the to and from addresses mixed up. I'll report back here as soon as I hear any news.

Oz

September 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterOz

@jenshenrik:

(rjh, not johnboy)

Maggie Zhou at where? Do you have contact details.

Do you know if such a firmware update actually exists?

TIA

September 24, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterrjh

Sorry rjh for writing johnboy in stead of rjh.

No, as I wrote, you can contact Chinavasion regarding your question :)
Pleas do return, if you find out of something...

BTW:
It seems like the card reader has some kind of problems writing to the SD card sometimes.
In stead of displaying an error text, the camera perhaps just turns off?
Interresting being able to select "debug mode"... :)

I've been using a Medion Class 6 Micro SD card in an adapter for the last couple of days with no problems.
When using a Kingston Class 6 card, the camera sometimes turn off.

If it's the card reader, software, writing capabilities of the card or som fysical problems, I don't know.

Sunday i'm on a long trip and will definately be trying again. This time with an other battry and a slight modification of the camera.

September 26, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterjenshenrik

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