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Thursday
Jul052012

A 1080p Wired Bullet Cam

This review is almost a half-hour long, and yet I'm sure that I will have skimmed past things that I wasn't interested in, but other people would want to know about. Therefore, if there is something specific you do want me to cover in a follow up video, let me know in the comments and I'll see what I can do if/when I get the chance to do a follow-up video.

CLICK HERE for RAW SAMPLES from this camera.

If you click the link above you will find a shared folder  containing 720p60 & 1080p30 clips as well as a few stills.

So why no price or seller link? (Updated  now included.... see below)

You will notice that there are no links to a seller or even details about the price. I briefly explained why this was the case at the end of the video, but I'll elaborate here. I've been contacted by resellers/retailers who have indicated that they would like to use my videos as product demonstrations on their web stores, but when I promote the name of their competitors as my source, it makes it impossible for them to embed the videos on their site. Therefore for this video I'm trying something different. I've reviewed the product but left out any mention of supplier or price.

If there are any resellers who do stock this camera and want to provide a link to their store in the comments below, please feel free to do so. Likewise, I'm happy for you to embed this video on your website/store. Also if anyone spots these for sale anywhere, you can also post a helpful link below. I'm basically putting a call out and asking you to help one other to find the best place to buy this camera from.

This is just an experiment to see how this affects my viewing numbers. Don't worry, the next few items I'm reviewing after this have been sent to me as review samples...so of course I'll be providing full links to the retailers on these products. You'll have seen a subject for a future review making a cameo appearance in this video. However, please be patient as these reviews take me a long time to put together.

P.S By the way just because the control box has an HDMI in socket on it doesn't mean it will work as a PVR. The camera is using this as a data port only, not for streaming encoded video.

EDIT 12/08/12 I've given the experiment long enough and now it's time to name where I bought mine from

When the auction I've linked to expires, you'll have to look at the seller's page to see if he is selling more.
In future, links to sellers will be on this blog rather than in the video...because that will enable me to keep this information up to date.

UPDATE - 18/8/12 I've now done a review of the car accessory lead and the microphone. This video also includes some night driving footage for those people who were interested in seeing this.

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Reader Comments (162)

@Alasdair,

It was bought with the intention to be used on my motorcycle only but after seeing how easy its to use in the car I'am going to machine-up a solid mount for it as it suffers from vibration from being strapped to the passenger seat head rest.

As for the Sanyo external mic it has quite a good pick-up from all around I can't say I've noticed any issues with it. Wind noise might be a problem in a direct wind blast as it only comes with a sponge type diffuser which works good in the car but when its mounted on my bike I'll fit one of these - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310261253138?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 - I bought the bigger version for the external mic on my camcorder which works a treat cutting down the wind.

I tested the camera quite a lot today and I must admit it really is very good, thanks Techmoan for finding this little gem.


Klippie.

August 28, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKlippie

@ Voyager03

I never intended turning this thread into a discussion on VAT so I'll try to make this my last post on the subject.

As to why I think it "cheeky", it was the first term which came to mind. I can't fully explain why I feel that way but I've always just felt that governments should only add Value Added Tax (or it's equivalent) on products or services sold within the country they are supplied to.. Just an opinion, no more no less.

It might not answer your question but there it is :-)

August 29, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

In other news...

My camera arrived this morning - no duty to pay :-)

First impressions are good although I can't remember buying anything with such a large battery for a long time! But it doesn't weigh much so it's no big deal even if you carry a spare or two.

I DID get the rotatable surface mount - think of it like a table mic stand but for the camera (and with the adhesive pads. Seems impossible to rotate until you realise the prongs on either side are release buttons, not over-sized bolts. I thought it was going to be one of those things which is tight to begin with but eventually becomes too loose to work. Instead, it's another piece of good engineering on a relatively cheap product.

Worth mentioning that the remote control cable also works in photo mode (taking a photo rather than going into video mode, just to be clear), so perhaps useful for some people.

The "clippy back thing" with my camera actually holds it very firmly, so Techmoan's may be an exception. Of course, it might work loose if fitted and removed several times. Not sure I'll use it a lot anyway.

It looks like I'll need a new external mic as I expected, especially as I'll be hiding the recording unit away from the elements when on my bike.

Limitations for me are going to be 1) the need for an external mic and the resulting extra cable on my bike; 2) battery life (I'll need at least two for a 100 mile ride) and 3) low-light capability, but I was aware of all of those before purchase thanks to the review.

MEMORY CARD COMPATIBILITY: I opted to buy an SDXC card so that I could get a 64GB (Class 10) card. SDXCs aren't compatible with all hardware or older operating systems but I can report that this works fine with the camera and Windows 7 (Professional in my case), so good to know.

I may report back once I've done an on-bike test.

August 29, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

I've just offered £7 for the Sanyo mic Kliipie linked to and had it accepted. I notice the same seller also has another ebay ID: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290547284788?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Just tested the "Znooda" Portable Battery Pack I got with my 808 #16 camera and I can confirm it DOES power this camera, even with no internal battery loaded. I'm going to flatten the internal battery to see if the Znooda will also charge it back up. HAndy that it can be powered by an external battery (though you'll need to test your own at your own risk).

I hope the charge light goes out or changes colour so I know when the charge cycle is complete.

August 29, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

Me again!

Can someone tell me the battery charge time from flat? Mine has been on charge for 4.5 hours and I still have a steady red light.

Does the light go out, flash or change colour when charging is complete?

August 29, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

I think it eventually goes out or changes colour. My memory is terrible. I do know that it does have a habit of getting stuck on though. Unplug it and plug it in again and it may change its state.

August 29, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

Thanks for that. I just went back to look and the charge light was still red. What I hadn't noticed was the green light on the CHARGER had gone out! So it seems the charge light on the recorder is merely showing a charger is plugged in and switched on. Trouble is, I've no idea when the charger's green light went out.

Having un-plugged/plugged, the green light has stayed off. Oh well, I'll know what to watch for next time!

Because of that (the recorder not indicating charging status), it will be tricky to know if the external battery will charge the internal other than by leaving plugged in for an hour or two and seeing if the internal has gained charge. Even then, it will be hard to know how long it takes to reach full charge (or drain the external, whichever comes first).

August 29, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

I have now quite some experience with that cam. Took it to UK last Thursday. I had ordered the Ultimate HQ bullet camera roll cage mount from dogcamsport and had it delivered to a friend of mine in the near of Sandwich, Kent. The varios mounts that came with the camera, are all plastic and the one i used to fix the cam to the car (Vented Helmet Mount with 1 Bandage) went bust, when i opend the door after and the cable was too short.

Immediately i tried out the dogcamsport clamp, it is huge, on my friends car. After a trip of about 30 minutes*, we arrived at a garage where i have a car to be restored. My friend, i call him Gatsby, becaue he is always dressed in a bright-coloured linen. suits opend the door.... and the cable was too short again. But this time, the clamp held. But the cam flashed always "no singal" afterwards. I now have fixed the problem, there is a little plug in the lensebody, which i pushed back.

The many cables are a real thread. I think i might buy a cam with WiFi remote control with an app (android, iPhone). Gobandit has one in the programme, but unfortunately without an external microphone.

*interested parties can see my UK videos with the cam we discuss about here YOUTUBE
Gatsby had the microphone clipped to his vest. Therefore you hear him clearly and me not so good.

Ruedi I've had a quick scan at some of the videos. They look very good....I'll have a better look when I have more time. There is a strange anti-shake effects to some of the clips...I don't know if this was an intentional choice, but I think it looks better without it. I presume it was one of youtubes 'helpful' one click fix/repair options. Your friend comes across very clearly on the microphone and his diction and enunciation make my attempts seem rather amateurish in comparison.

August 29, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

Techmoan
Do not hide your light under a bushel:-). If you do not know, i know and i read many comments as well: you are an absolut expert in the stuff you do. You could make your living on it if you only would. Not only with your tests, but with the accessories you build as well. I saw some of your creations, eg, the cheap camera holder. Genious:-)

Yes it is correct, i was using the youtube one click fix. It seems as the cam not does have anti shake. A friend of mine just told me that he mounted a GoPro on his bake. Despite the vibrations he noted, the video did not show these.

Houston, we have a problem...

All was going well with my testing (aside form discovering that the hollow road noise going through my carbon bike's frame makes the sound horrible and will force either the recorder or external mic to be mounted to me rather than the bike or seatpack) until I was testing recording time with the external battery pack. The recording stopped during the 3rd half-hour segment and the resulting file (but not the previous 2) was corrupt and unplayable. I also couldn't delete it. Available space showed as only around 17GB despite only having about 8GB of recordings.

I couldn't format the card in-camera or on a PC so it's going back to Amazon. Fortunately, they send out a replacement before receiving the returned one. Hopefully this is a) just a faulty card and b) not a sign of incompatibility with SDXC cards. A quick test with a regular SD card seems ok.

I'm less sure the external battery is going to work for recording instead of the internal but maybe it can trickle charge the internal during a recording session to increase recording time. My next test once I get the replacement card as I don't have anything large enough not already in use in another device.

August 31, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

Finally got the camera out for a spin today.

The picture quality is great, but sound not so.
The car is of cause loud, but not that loud.

Using the standard camera mount.
Recording at 720 50 frames

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOiFkVB8pTs&feature=youtu.be

September 2, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterjano

On Koonlung website the maximum capacity is said to be HCSD 32G(Class 4), on the ebay seller auction it's HCSD 64G(Class 4) so i'm geting a little confused... what's the maximum supported capacity? Also do you know if i can use class 10 sd card(i got a 64gb C10 on my sd camcorder)?

Thanks :)

September 4, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterRei Fukai

In case your camera dosen't secure into the cradle, here's a possible fix. Hold the camera firmly in the cradle, turn it over and press the tab under the belt-clip, reasonably firm pressure is required. You might hear a click. to undo lift the tab with your finger nail. Here it is on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A0UFpjg0SA

September 5, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterLes

@ Rei Fukai ,

The instruction book says" HCSD 64GB (Class 4), 30 minutes for 4GB card @ Full HD."

That would equate to 8 hours for a 64GB card. My unit shows 5 hours 4 minutes with a fresh 64GB SDXC card. That seems to be suggesting 40GB being the biggest card it recognises, unless I'm missing something. As 32GB is the nearest to that, it does look like 32GB is the biggest card supported.

BUT... 30 minutes only takes up 2.54GB so things appear even less clear.

September 7, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

After a repeat problem with the replacement card, I definitely DO NOT RECOMMEND USING A 64GB CARD in this camera.

I have now had two cards where the reported size is around 27GB after formatting, and both have become unusable, so that's 2 cards I've had to return. I will be trying a 32GB next and buying a second if that works.

Annoying if it requires the smaller card to be reliable - more expense and 2 things (battery and card) needing changed for longer recording sessions.

September 13, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

64GB is impossible:

About the 32GB limit on cards. FAT32 has a physical limit of about 32GB. So, if you expect a card to work over 32GB, there's your reason not to try it. You could, however, partition the drive into two 32GB segments and lose about 3GB in file storage due to the FAT32 table.

September 13, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKerry

Also FAT32 file size is limited to 4GB per file. I don't own this camera, but I can bet the file system created on the camera is FAT32 and the software on the camera is looking for a FAT32 table. I welcome comments because I don't know a thing about how this camera handles files and what format it writes to.

September 13, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKerry

@ Kerry,

You could well be right about that (and of course you are, regarding FAT32), however the camera instructions do state "Support Max: HCSD 64G (Class4)" (That's a precise quote so the SDHC and GB errors aren't mine!).

So there is clearly a discrepancy - either it is SDHC or it's 64GB (and therefore SDXC). It would certainly seem that this camera can't offer exFAT formatting and therefore does NOT support 64GB cards.

We're used to Chinese imports having pidgin-English instructions but this is an error in fact rather than in translation. I'm hoping I won't find myself being charged for 2 faulty cards as I can't see any claim against a Chinese supplier getting very far...

As for partitioning the card, is the camera likely to recognise 2 partitions? The 4GB file size isn't an issue as the maximum clip size is 30min/2.54GB.

September 14, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

I'm not sure why you want to use 64gb cards. If the camera loops over the footage 8gb is sufficient, 16gb is ample and 32gb is excessive. In my opinion.

September 14, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

Very simple, I can be riding my bike for over 8 hours at a time, so while on most occasions I'm just looking for an "incident camera" there will be times when I want to have footage of the whole ride to review and edit for posterity.

Yes, you're absolutely right that most people, most of the time, will find a much smaller card sufficient but that won't always suit my needs. If I were using it only as an incident camera, I would certainly be content with an 8GB card, protecting any recordings which might be needed for evidence (for which a monitor-enabled camera like this is perfect).

I've ordered a couple of Sandisk 32GB Extreme Class 10 cards, with a claimed 45mb/s transfer rate. Again, over-specced for many but I'd just rather have a degree of future-proofing in case I need the speed for different hardware down the line. I'm guessing the transfer speeds aren't all that important for recording but will be useful when transferring to computer (and if using in a stills camera).

September 15, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

Alisdair, Apologies, I got my threads mixed up and thought we were talking about the V1000GS car cam for some reason. I now understand why you would want as big a card as possible.
Over the years I've read a lot of comments that 64GB cards are not as compatible as the 32GB ones, with people reporting that certain models will only work in certain devices. I'm not entirely sure why this is, but there must be a reason that most manufacturers of Chinese devices only state 'up to 32GB' as a maximum size. Perhaps the controller chips they have access to are only reliable up-to this size and it would require a more expensive model to guarantee read/write compatibility with the bigger ones.
Luckily with this camera it's not too difficult to swap the card over every now and then, and I would hope you would take a break from riding at least once in that 8 hour period. I do think though that whilst this camera might be good value for money, if you need a camera to work continuously for 8 hours, you may be pushing it a bit, hoping that this budget bullet can won't let you down.

September 15, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

No worries Matt, you've a fair bit to keep on top of on your site :-)

The compatibility issue is presumably to do with the difference between SDHC and SDXC, with the former only working up to 32GB of course. I'm assuming it's just too tricky/expensive/time consuming to design products which will work with SDXC cards as you alluded to.

I certainly do take breaks if I'm in the saddle for 8 hours! Besides, the battery will run out every 2 3/4 hours anyway of course. It's purely down to the convenience of having only one card and not having to change it as often - it's just easier to only be thinking about changing the battery over the course of the day rather than both camera and card.

One 64GB is back at Amazon (no thanks to the Yodel driver starting to drive away without waiting for me to answer the door!) whilst the other is receiving a last-ditch effort at redemption, before its return, via a low level format (using HDDGuru's tool), but I think I'm wasting my time as it's only 9 % complete after 5 days and countless error messages!!!

I'll post how I get on with the 32GB cards when they arrive. Just a shame the instructions' specifications were misleading. I may have been overly-optimistic, but others will take the info as gospel and may be unaware of the difference in hardware required to handle 64GB and over.

As for the camera itself, I did get usable images at 8pm last night in well-lit streets but along the shoreline where artificial lighting is all but non-existant, it was a waste of time as I had expected. It barely picked up the light from by bike (which by the way could be seen lighting up a traffic island bollard over 150 feet away across a well-lit junction).

September 16, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

This camera was perfect and just what I was looking for. I'd been searching for one that offered an external mic option for quite some time and this review surfaced just in time before heading out on a 3 week motorcycle holiday in Taiwan.
Having arrived 2 days prior to flying out the testing of it was great. So was looking forward to collecting some great footage.
I will say 'was perfect' as it crapped out on me after two days of use whilst holidaying. I suspect it was a faulty battery as it was hotter than Hades just before crapping out (standalone, not charging). And having traveled the wetter parts of Asia before I was well prepared for any issues with moisture, having all my electrics covered (phone, netbook, tablet) The footage I did get was great however so I was impressed at the very least by that.
Having now returned (yesterday) I've been unable to find any information on the warranty of this unit, neither in the documentation or via the seller (I'm pending a response having now since asked them on any warranty with this). It would be good to see just what kind of warranty these things have to help resolve any issue with it. Will let you know. :)

September 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCaptnspank

Sorry to hear about your problems. I think we are starting to see why these cameras are cheaper than the previous bullet cameras. Good luck with trying to get somewhere with the warranty...but I can see that your work will be cut out for you.

September 23, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

Apologies if the formatting of my post below is weird. I had trouble
editing directly on the web site, some wrote this in Notepad and
pasted.

Well, I just got one of these and the video quality is very good.
I don't like "Kodachrome" strong colours and find this camera goes
well with my 808#16 V2 keyfob camera with the "D" lens. (BTW techmoan,
there's a major new firmware and software release for that camera).

I'm using it on a motorbike and found the camera tube is 22mm. That is a
standard UK domestic plumbing size, so you can buy 4 plastic pipe clips
for around a pound that fit exactly (and very tight) with a hole in the
bottom that can be simply screwed on a tripod mounting letting the metal
cut it's own thread.

Editing footage taken between the two cameras (set at different positions
on the bike) is quite easy because the colour profiles match up quite well.
Although the keyfob camera hasn't quite got the quality and detail of the
split camera, it does exceptionally well considering the price and most
people don't seem to notice the difference during a show.

I ordered the same extras from dogcam as techmoan did but rewired an old
microphone while I was waiting - it works as good as the one from dogcam
except the jack plug would not fit in the socket. I had to shave a shoulder
off the plug so it would go in the recess of the socket.

I did worry about the video being too dark, but it's fine. A tip here is
not to fill the frame with half sky and half ground. The camera tries to
expose for the sky and clips end up with the ground being too dark. Keep
the sky to the top third of the frame or less and you'll end up with a
more pleasing video that is correctly exposed... unless you really want to
video the sky!

A couple of people seem to have had problems with their cameras, but none
for me except I confused it by pressing too many buttons impatiently and it
froze. I pulled the battery out for 20 secondas and it restarted fine with
all my settings intact.

September 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterPaul Pan

I ordered a second camera which came last week so I fixed the two cameras one on the front and one to the back of my car then went for a drive up the east coast of Scotland at the weekend, they performed perfectly the video quality was superb they both recorded 5.5 hours continuously using a 32gb SDHC card...never missed a beat.

Amazing performance for the price.

September 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKlippie

Just a brief update on the 32GB cards I bought to replace the failed 64s. In fairly limited testing (the weather's been foul), there have been no problems.

All I'm waiting for now is for Amazon to credit the first card I returned to them. I tracked the 2nd return and thanks to the Connect+ return system, it travelled the 15 miles from Edinburgh to Dunfermline via... Wednesbury, near Birmingham - a round journey of 590 miles! And that doesn't include any detours for other pick-ups or drop-offs. That's some carbon footprint for a tiny SDXC card!

Although the camera's fairly discrete (usually on the side of my helmet, occasionally on the handlebar, I have noticed a small number of motorists being a little more observant in their behaviour once they spot it. And some of the irresponsible cyclists too. That alone makes it a worthwhile investment. Maybe they think I'm a cycle cop with a camera, when I'm wearing my bright yellow jacket and black cycling utility trousers if I'm on my mountain bike!

September 29, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAlasdair

Being practical I assume when using this as a headcam the unit would be carried in a jacket pocket, so how and where do you store the camera and microphone cables?
If the camera is mounted on the motorcycle is there a secure mount to carry the recorder? I would be bound to walk away and leave it at least once and that could be one time too many.

October 15, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterdrumwrecker

I just keep the recorder unit in my inside pocket whilst recording. That way I can get on or off the bike without having to mess with anything. I don't like the idea of being wired up to the bike.

October 16, 2012 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

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