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Monday
Jul082013

The Mobius Camera - The do-it-all mount-anywhere 1080p Micro Cam

Here's my review of the Mobius Camera. This camera has been in development for some time and clearly the manufacturer has listened to user feedback from the buyers of the #16 808 cameras and incorporated many of their requested features into this model.

There isn't too much to add here - this is a pretty comprehensive video that covers most features of the camera. I suppose the only thing I didn't go into was the webcam function. I'm not interested in this myself since all my laptops have had a built in webcam since 2009, but a webcam function can come in useful if you need to refocus the lens and view live video on your PC screen at the same time. As I mentioned at the beginning of the video the manufacturer included a tool to enable you to refocus the (unglued) lens. I know of people who use the keyring cameras mounted on their model trains who will find this very useful.

I also never tried the time-lapse function, which automatically takes photos at your specified interval. You can see these options on screen during the configuration section of the review.

The only negatives I can think of are the narrow FOV in the 720p60 mode (720p30 has the same FOV as 1080p30) and a lack of water resistance, although there may well be accessories released in the future that address the latter issue.

Due to the constant revisions the manufacturer makes to the camera, the features I have shown here could be updated in the future, but even if there are no more changes, I'm very happy wth the camera as it stands today. It never gave me a moment of trouble during the weeks I was testing it. Never once locking up or shutting down on it's own, so for me this has been a totally reliable little camera.

I'm trying to guess what crazy questions I'll get asked, so I can answer them first.

So...

Motion detection? - Latest Firmware has this option (Info added Jan 2014)

Looped/Recycled Video? YES

Can this be switched off? YES

What is looped/recycled video? - See My Beginners Guide To Car Cams Video HERE

Can the Timestamp be turned off? YES

Finally to answer a common question from people who didn't watch the video. - No the silver arrows on the camera are not buttons, they are a heat sink and being aluminium are also not magnetic. Press Play on the video to learn more.

If you have any more questions, you should get all the answers you need from the links below.

To BUY ONE (on ebay) Click your country below

US   UK   NL   DE   AU   AT   CH   IE   ES   FR   NL   BE 

I've also put some Amazon links below.

 

 

The Windows Configuration Software and Manual can be downloaded by CLICKING HERE

To Download SAMPLE CLIPS - CLICK HERE

(Wait a few seconds for the samples link to load)

Chuck Lohr's detailed Mobius Page is here

RC Groups.com Forum pages about the Mobius are here

The Downloadable Instructions and configuration software are available from here

I know people are going to ask me whether they should get this or an SJ1000, but they are very different cameras. You'll need to decide yourself what features are important to you. The LCD Screen, Waterproof Case, Ultra Wide angle lens of the SJ1000 or the true 720p60, reduced-fisheye lens and easy mounting options of the Mobius.

DIMENSIONS - Just thought I should add this info.

The Mobius is 6cm front to back, 3.5cm wide and 1.7cm thick.

 

 

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Reader Comments (918)

@Cougar Girl,

I use Registrator Viewer... http://www.registratorviewer.com/features_en.html

October 27, 2015 | Unregistered Commenterruss331

@Istvan,

The wide angle Mobius is the C2. There was also the B & the C wide angle models, but they're both obsolete.

October 27, 2015 | Unregistered Commenterruss331

@russ331,

Many thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it.

Coug

October 27, 2015 | Unregistered CommenterCougar Girl

@russ331

So please, give me a link from where can I order a a C2 wide angle camera, from a verified seller.
I cannot any from this seller
http://www.ebay.com/usr/eletoponline365

thank you, really.

October 27, 2015 | Unregistered CommenterIstvan

Just a point of interest for anyone considering a dashcam regarding mounting: you need to decide if you are going to:

1) Remove it every time you leave the car, to prevent it being stolen, in which case you need an easy mounting system.
or
2) Leave it permanently in place, in which case you need to disguise it to prevent theft.

I'm going for option 2, as just KNOW that after a while, I will forget to mount it, and you can bet that the one time I forget will be the time there is an incident.

My car insurance say that there is no reduction in premium for having one but then went on to say "hold on while we check if it impacts your premium as a modification." Good news - no, it doesn't count as a modification as long as it is free-mounted, ie by suction/magnets/velcro/tape.

But be careful if you start cutting up the headlining or hot wiring it into the interior light array (how long before there is a usb port within the light array, I wonder? Car manufacturers, please take note) because if you modify the car, you have to tell your insurance people and it might increase your premium.

Coug

November 6, 2015 | Unregistered CommenterCougar Girl

Hi can anyone tell me whats the difference between the mpbius action cam c2 lens and the mobius sports action cam

November 15, 2015 | Unregistered CommenterGary

I am very interested in using the Mobius C2 as a PERMANENT dashcam ( which i would hard wire in) I note the TM
reccomendation regarding replacing the battery with a capacitor,
my question is this
a) what is the long term reliability record for this when used as a permanent dashcam ? ( with a capacitor)
there are many reports of the mobius failing within a year (when used as a permanent dashcam )
Can any Mobius owners report their dashcam experiences please, thank you

November 17, 2015 | Unregistered CommenterKen57

@ Ken57 I've been using 3 Mobius cameras simultaneously in my car as permanent dashcams for over two years with no issues. I live in central Texas which is quite hot during the summers. One of the batteries actually still holds date and time. I've purchased the capacitors, just haven't had a chance to install them yet. I wouldn't hesitate to use them as permanent dashcams if I were you.

November 17, 2015 | Unregistered CommenterJohn

Whats the build quality like on this? Looks good.

December 14, 2015 | Unregistered CommenterMark

Hi, on the ebay site there is two versions on this camera. The dearer on is a C2? Do you know what the diffrence is please?

January 14, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterIan Clarke

Hoping for longer (or endless) recording time I bought a connector cable to reload the battery on the Mobius from regular wall plug. However, when plugged in the Mobius still records for about an hour and then stops recording and starts reloading the battery, which is pretty useless for my purpose. Why does it not keep the battery loaded?

January 15, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterAlsenor

My Mobius is not being recognized by Windows. This started happening recently. As a result, I cannot change the settings. (The error I get is "Windows does not recognize the USB device you connected".)

I have another Mobius which is recognized by Windows; so, it does not appear to be a Windows/software problem. Also, I switched SD cards between the two cameras and found that the cards are fine.

Also both my Mobius cameras are recognized by my MacBook pro. So, somehow Windows is recognizing one and not the other. I am completely puzzled. Can you help? Thanks.

January 26, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterSamwoody

Buy a USB SD Card Reader (mine cost £1) and watch your troubles go away.

January 26, 2016 | Registered CommenterTechmoan

It's the internal USB connector.

Either buy the SD card reader or buy a USB hub.

You'll find Windows will see the Mobius if connected via a hub.

The disadvantage of a card reader is you can't change the firmware. With a USB hub, the camera works the same as having it connected directly.

Ultimately the choice is yours. The only other choice is a new camera which is an expensive solution especially as the USB connectors are prone to fail in this way leaving the Mobius fully operational but unable to be seen by the PC. So replacing the camera is both unnecessary, expensive and somewhat pointless when at some point it will fail again on the new camera.

January 27, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterAl

Thanks, Al. Your tip was on the dot. Connecting the camera with a USB hub worked, although I cannot fathom why. I don't see the logic; if the camera's internal connector is the problem, why does it work via a hub?

Anyway, since it works via a hub now, my problem is solved.

February 7, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterSamwoody

Thank you for the wonderful tip, Al.
Your suggestion solved my problem. I have some technical knowledge but I could not have figured out that using a USB hub would solve the problem... can't figure out the reason why it does either. But, sure it works - every time.

February 11, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterSamwoody

USED AS CAR DASH CAM - V3 - C2 Wide Angle Lens

I did extensive research and read tons of reviews and watched loads of videos. Thanks to Techmoan I finally plumped for the Modius after reading the review.

My main priority was that I required good video and that it would be very small and easy to take out of the car as I had no intention of leaving it in when parked up.

This is an absolute belter of a camera that is so tiny (it really is) and is very light, I attach it by Velcro to the underside of my rear view mirror (and changed the setting to upside down in the easy to use software Msetup), for superb results, and just pull it off to take it with with me.

10 seconds to attach or dismount. The cable is tucked under the headliner around the windscreen and is well hidden.

Because it is so small and light I get a really good fixing with Velcro and do not need the extra screen mount that I purchased extra (just in case).

Bought it off www.minidvcameras.co.uk (the only UK authorised distributor for manufacturer??) to guarantee a genuine product, along with a 3M cable.

The Msetup software is so easy to use and I use a Class 10 32GB Transcend micro card with fantastic results.

JUST BUY IT - YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED !!!

February 26, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterUpnorth

Loved your review. I think you have sold me on it. One comment I would like to make - and it is not to do with your review - is that on eBay some sellers are quoting a size of 10.3cm x 6.8cm x 6.8. Is that the packaging size or are they being too smart for their own good? Majority of eBay sellers are quoting the correct size of 6.1cm x 3.5cm x 1.8cm.

I intend to use the camera on a specially adapted HO Model railway wagon. Have you heard of others doing the same? If so could you do a review for that type of situation.

Thanks.

February 29, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterIan

I am interested in this product and thinking of purchasing it as a permanent dashboard camera solution. I'm still new to dashboard cameras and not sure of their technical terms or capabilities, so apologies if my question doesn't make sense.

Does anyone know if this camera is capable of recording in offline mode, as in, when the car is parked and the engine is switched off? - Does it have the capability of detecting and recording at the point of when a car has been impacted when parked (eg. from an accident / hit and run incident / vandalism etc)?

March 6, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterManT

Man T:
Question 1: The Möbius can be set so it will start when external power is applied (normal dash cam mode) and also when the power/start buttons are pressed, so it will run on internal power when the ignition is off if you press the button(s) but you'd have to do that each time, and it would only run until the internal battery was exhausted. Alternatively you could wire it up to a permanent live power point and it would keep on loop recording indefinitely - in theory. In practice I'm not so sure this would be a good idea. Of course you could just put a switch in the circuit then just remember to switch it on every time you need it.
Second question: I don't think the möbius has that g-shock capability.
There are lots of other dash cams out there that will do these things, anyway. The möbius is excellent as a dash cam, given its good video quality and small size, but remember that it is an action cam first and dash cam second, so it doesn't have the functionality that dedicated dash cams do. In any event, you would really need two or even more cameras to fully cover all angles while stationary.

March 6, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterGraham Smith

Many thanks for the prompt response Graham.

After making my first post here, I came across another video on this site explaining how most of the dash cams are useless in cases of vandalism / hit and run type incidents. So, I might still purchase this camera for recording incidents on the road during drives.

Still learning about dash cams by the day and am wandering if installing cctv cameras on my house is the way to record such incidents (but that's another matter).

Thanks.

March 8, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterManT

Hello Techmoan,

some time ago, after updating my Mobius cam firmware I noticed that the battery cut-off voltage had been noticeably raised in comparison with earlier firmware versions, reaching incredible 3.56 V, which resulted in significantly reduced battery operation time. Since I don’t use my Mobius as a dash cam (where the battery operation is not that important) but rather as an action cam and in RC-applications, its battery operation capabilities are really crucial to me (and I’m sure to many others as well.) I’m not sure what exactly and at which firmware development stage had gone wrong, but could you please bring the Mobius developers’ attention to the issue and ask them to try and reduce this cut-off voltage threshold to the lowest possible or at least to the values it had in firmware versions 1.7 and earlier ones?
Thanks a lot and kind regards,

Eugene

March 27, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterEugene

Hi I'm looking for small dash cam, which one will be better mobius or runcam2? Which mobius lens is the best?

June 11, 2016 | Unregistered Commenterplat1n

New competitor to the Mobius with higher specs from one of the resellers of the original Mobius:

https://www.joovuu-x.com/specifications/

Be interesting to see a comparison.

June 14, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterAl

These cameras are very nice at first but I just had my second one fail inexplicably after about a year of infrequent use. The yellow LED blinks about once per second after I turn the camera on (rather than the normal one every two seconds when recording). Nothing happens when I press the record button. I can read from the memory chip, which works OK when plugged into a ocmputer. I tried a reset and i updated the firmware -- problem remains. I have looked online but haven't found a discussion of this behavior. Suggestions are welcome.

July 14, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterJohn S. Allen

Try plugging it into an external battery

July 14, 2016 | Unregistered Commenterjack

I plugged it into a charger, same thing. No go.

July 15, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterJohn S. Allen

Is there any polarizer filter available for Mobius wide angle lens C? I want to reduce reflection from car windscreen.

July 30, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterPlat1n

Hi Techmoan,

Can you do a review of the Mobius 2 camera?

Thanks.

August 16, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterChaba Teta

Hi Techmoan,

Just to say that I have been following your reviews for a while now and find them very very useful, thanks.

You will no doubt be looking at the Mobius2 at some point and I wanted to let you know my first findings:

1. It produces a better dynamic range than the Mobius 1; which becomes apparent on sunny days when the Mobius1 produced very dark/black shadows. The Mobius2 has better detail in the shadows on sunny days.

2. There is only the original factory firmware out at the moment (22 Aug 2016) and this has a lot of restrictions compared to the later firmware updates on the Mobius 1, which will be significant to some (including me!):

i. The Mobius2 camera I bought from a UK distributor came out of the box with the default to the Video 1 setting; which was the brand new H265 HEVC CODEC. This will likely cause confusion to some as H265 is not supported yet by many browsers or video players - I had to use VLC to even open my first test clips.

ii. The Mobius2 is currently ONLY FAT32 format, unlike the Mobius1 which had the extra choice to be ExFAT. As you know, the advantage of ExFAT is that you can shoot clips beyond 4GB in size.

iii. The other issue I have hit with the FAT32 limitation is that the camera currently allows the following time-clip length settings (aka Movie Cycle time): 3 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes and 20 minutes. It does not have the 'Max until 4GB' setting you had with the Mobius 1. This means I now have several test clips which are effectively useless and cannot be viewed - this is because you are likely to always go above 4GB if you set the length to 20 minutes as I did. You end up with a 'corrupted' 4GB+ clip. And this was even with just a 760p 60fps setting. You would have to severely reduce the quality settings to get a 20 minute clip below the FAT32 GB size limit.

Mobius1 handled this well by offering the ExFAT option or the 4GB detection when using FAT32; the Mobius2 puts the onus on you to ensure your clips stay below 4GB. If nothing else, please put pressure on Mobius to release a firmware patch for this (I have no idea how to contact them!).

Other than that, the Mobius2 does seem to give better results out of the box in terms of dynamic range but the supplied lens seems to be the old 'B' lens rather than the wider (and seemingly sharper) C lens being shipped with the later Mobius1.

The jury is out, but I suggest that the Mobius2 will be a better version of the Mobius1, but only after a few firmware tweaks.

Cheers, Dave

August 22, 2016 | Unregistered CommenterDSL

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